Driving across the rural parts of America you'll undoubtedly notice the large number of churches that use their signs to try and draw people into their church with a joke or a pun or some good old fashioned fire and brimstone fear. The problem is, the comedy stylings of most church pastors is kind of like a combination of Yakov Smirnoff and Rush Limbaugh. You either get the world's crappiest puns or some sort of evil, hate filled message that's supposed to scare you into attending, or a totally awesome unintentional double entrendre. Either way, these signs are the only interesting thing to look at when you're driving from Pennsylvania to Colorado.
Um, what?
Now there's a well thought out marketing pitch.
OK, so maybe this one makes me want to go to church.
The Jews killed Jesus so the Christians wouldn't have to.
After all, no death, then no ressurection, and no salvation. The Christians are the only people with a vested interest in Jesus' death.
I, an atheist, would happily have rescued the guy from the cross if I was in a position to do so. Oddly enough, I can't get a Christian to say he would have done the same thing.
@Another Ben
I have indeed read it sir, and I have heard the claim that Hitler was a catholic. This would be simply implying that ones upbringing determines their life course. Because Hitler was raised a catholic does not mean that he was catholic in adulthood.
'...the notion that the church either gave birth to Hitler or walked hand-in-hand with him as a partner is, simply, slander. Hitler himself knew better. "One is either a Christian or a German," he said. "You can't be both." '
From: Jadwiga Biskupska (Cornell University), "Hitler & Triumph of the Will: A Nazi Religion in the Catholic Style" in Undergraduate Quarterly, September/November 2004, page 147 (URL: http://www.undergradquarterly.com/EJournal/2004Q2/Biskupska.pdf):
See also http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html
the above is a short article mentions nazi papers found during the nuremburg trials which detail Hitler's hate for the Christian religion and his desire to wipe it out along with Judaism.
I was thinking about the whole science thing and it brought up a few things that I have questions about.
1) Where did matter come from?
2) Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
3) how did matter get so perfectly organized?
4) Which evolved first (how and how long, did it work without the others)?
a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the abiltity to find food and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to it's own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
b) The immune system or the need for it?
c)DNA or Rna to carry the DNa message?
d) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
5) Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common creator instead of a common ancestor?
Two quotes from Charles Darwin himself...
1) "Alas, how frequent, how almost universal it is in an author to persuade himself of the truth of his own dagmas."
I for one will keep this in mind when when scientists proclaim the theory of evolution as "fact."
2) "To suppose that the eye could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree".
Well It is 10:40 pm here on the east coast. I have to get up at 5:00 am and alas I am off to bed to spend some time with my lovely bride of 11 years. She is as pretty as ever and I just can't stand to spend another moment without her. I will be up bright and early @ 5:00 am for work and I eagerly wait to see what the cyber world has for me in the morning. Please sleep well and I will continue our friendly talks tomorrow. Did I mention I love my wife? She is awesome!!!
Mrs. Tilton -
I deeply thank-you for your heartfelt and sincere response. I wasn't looking for a quick snark answer and I extend my gratitude for giving me more than that. I have always challenged and searched my beliefs(i honestly tried to convince myself that God didn't exist, that the bible was a fairy tale). I ask myself almost every day "why do I believe what I do" I, like you, am a person who refuses to take what someone tells me as truth without being able to show it to me.
furthermore - I apologize I accidentally submitted that above portion before I had finished.
I do aplogize for the wording of my statement I thought for a few minutes about how to say cause i didn't want it to sound like something, "made" or "caused" this as if you didn't come to it on your own.
For me, the deciding factor and something I cannot deny is the experience of the miraculous in my life. In the end I can argue all I want til I am blue in the face trying to "prove" christianity or what not; but, what I have learned is that it is impossible to "prove" God exists(remember Jesus' words to Thomas, "you have seen and so you believe, blessed is he who believes and has not seen") - which I know for many people immediately puts me in the realm of: idiot, moron, stupid, and even evil. But, what I have also found in life is that many things are impossible to "prove" beyond the shadow of a doubt.
I have had experiences in my life - both personally and with friends and family - that make me unable to refuse that there is a God. Experiences in which science itself admits it cannot explain. I have personally experienced healing from asthme, I know a lady who had cancer in almost every cell in her body - today - before any treatment began, she is cancer free(literally overnight). Why do these things happen? As the bible demonstrates(even though many do not teach it this way) it is to prove that God exists.
I am not saying all of this with any agenda that my words will somehow make you "see the light' or anything. I just thought that your honest and sincere words as to why you believe what you do deserved an honest sincere answer back. I appreciate your civility in this, as many will write me off as ignorant and stupid because I believe in a God.
wow, this is endless!! There is no way of proving each other right or wrong!!! STOP ARGUING!! Each person will believe what they feel is most comfortable in their life! Stop forcing your religion onto others and start doing what your religion asks you to do!! be nice!!!
it's kind of sad that church need to advertise in such a worldly way to attract church-goers. they try to use catchy words or use current hot topics as a lure. i believe churches should go back to the Bible, to God's Words. IMHO churches should be the cornerstone pointing to the Bible.
2) �To suppose that the eye could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree�.
Your comments please.
My comment is that you are quote-mining like a madman. Now, it's unlikely you've actually read Darwin. You are probably just cutting and pasting from creationist talking points. If so, you won't be aware of the context in which Darwin wrote those words, or of how blatantly dishonest it is to present those words as evidence that Darwin didn't think the eye crafted by natural selection.
If you bring nothing but some chanting you got from the Discovery Institute or a fundamentalist tract, there's no point having a discussion with you until you have learned a little about what you are trying to talk about. Start here. And while you're there, check out the rest as well.
(And if you do know what Darwin wrote in full and still use that sentence to argue what you're arguing, then you are as a dishonest as the DI and fundamentalist tracts and there's no point having a discussion with you, full stop.)
Eddie van helsing or should I say mohammed achmed mehmet?
Are you a muzzelman?
A hatebeard?
It looks like it. Only muslims have an unheathly urge to kill christiaans where ever they find them.
[The comments box ate my earlier response, apparently because it contained two URLs. So here's the gist of it again, with no links.]
Mr C.,
Your comments please
My comment is that you have done nothing but cut and paste a laundry list of creationist talking points; in particular, the bits at the end are egregious quote-mining, a much-loved technique among creationists.
If you really think the quotation about the eye shows that Darwin didn't think it the product of natural selection, then you obviously haven't read the passage in question (which goes on for about three pages after that sentence, arguing that the eye is the product of selection and offering multiple examples and evidence) but are simply copying something you saw quote-mined in some fundie tract. If so, there's no point talking with you until you have acquired at least a basic familiarity with what you think you're talking about. Find talk.origins' "Index of Creationist Claims" (the first URL in my earlier comment) and look for the bit about Darwin and that passage on the eye. And while you're there, check out the rest of the Index (the second URL I'd given), which dispatches the rest of the talking points you've parrotted and many, many more besides. I'm sorry that this website's parameters (or my own stupidity perhaps) keep me from being able to give you the URLs, but Google is your friend.
And if you really do know the passage in question and yet still quote that first sentence to persuade people that Darwin thought what you claim he thought, then you are astonishingly dishonest and there is no point in talking with you, full stop. But without evidence that this is the case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and conclude that you are the dupe of a quote-miner rather than a quote-miner yourself.
I have never seen the passage in question. A friend sent that quote to me a while back and I pulled it out. I did not realize there was a passage that it was pulled from quite honestly so for that, please excuse me.
I thought it was interesting though. I wasn't really trying to persude you into anything. I just thought I would throw the quote out, that's all.
The questions that I asked are just that, questions. They are not really intended to change your mind but rather they are to get one thinking about things. No matter what anyone thinks or believes, I still think they are valid questions worth asking. By the way, I got them from the Evidence Bible from Ray Comfort. He Inserted pages that have info that sort of follow along with the Bible.
I did not mean to offend you.
From this point forward...
"For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."
Ok, I want to study philosophy with Mrs. Tilton! Furthermore, I'd attend her lectures if she was willing to travel to the US to give such lectures!
It is thoroughly refreshing to read Mrs. Tilton's well-written, well-thought out arguments.
Just to weigh in on the church issue, I recently discovered the Unitarian Universalist Church - less a church based on any dogma than a community of people committed to both seeking their own answers to life's big questions and a community of people working to make the world a better place through numerous social justice projects. UU churches welcome tolerant, open-minded seekers of all sorts, from those who have no name for their personal beliefs to Agnostics, Atheists, Buddhists, Christians, Pagans, Wiccans, and on and on.
I wonder whether there are interfaith groups like this to any great degree outside of America, but wonder if it would be too dangerous in many places.
At any rate, wonderful discussion and very interesting signs. One of my favorites of all time (and I don't have a photo) is a flier posted in a women's restroom: "Do you have a God-shaped hole in your life?"
Actually, Paul, I'd like to see Islam eradicated from the earth as well. However, since this page's topic is church signs, and not mosque signs, I had decided to stick to Christian-bashing. Of course, since you insist, here's a hearty "DEATH TO ISLAM!!" just for you.
(Did you know that Allah fucks pigs? That's why Muslims aren't allowed to eat pork.)
Christianity is not monoteistic. There are 2 gods. One called "god" and another called "satan". You cannot be a christian and not believe in satan.
Atheists don't believe in any gods at all (and therefore don't believe in satan) but christians believe in satan as well as god!
That said how can non-christians go to hell? They don't believe in god or satan. They are not christians so christian rules and beliefs do not apply to non-christians. In the same way that vegetarian rules do not apply to non-vegetarians.
Yes, I'm sure vaginas are quite a mystery to you, and they're likely to remain so. When you're discussing them with your chums, I suggest you say they feel like a bag of sand.
That is how my ball sack would feel bouncing on your chin
For any number of reasons, that's not something I'm likely ever to feel. And dangerous for you, I might add. As your "sack" was bouncing away, there'd be a very high possibility it would become lodged in a skin-pore.
Anyway, you are Jeff Godlstein and I claim my five pounds.
Wow... I think Mrs. Tilton's comments are more interesting (or, shall I say, insightful and fun to read) than the content this page was created for!
Do you have a blog, Mrs. Tilton? I'd love to read if you had one!
I'm... I don't know what I am. I don't believe in a god, and I suppose in that way I'm athiest. Maybe I'm just "Live and let Live-ist." Believe what you like, just don't try to smoosh it in my face (or try to pretend you know it all and are right, despite evidence to the contrary). ;)
I should point out that the "Mrs Tilton" immediately above is not I. It's easy to tell, because I wouldn't have misspelled a simple word like "whisker". (I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the poster was in fact our young friend Rusty. And fair play to him: every boy should have an active fantasy life.)
I have to say that I quite like Rusty. At first I thought he was a slavering Christian who had slipped the leash. But then it became clear that he is all about the shite-stirring. And I like that in a ten year old.
But I'm afraid I really have no interest in getting to know him better, in the biblical or any other sense.
God bless Photoshop. Some of the more offensive ones are photoshop. Especially the tsunami, aids, war one and the osama, obama one. Sacred cows seems impossible but looks legit. I think some of this is anti-Christian propaganda.
yo, peeps, stop writing novels back and forth and simply shut up and laugh at the silly pictures, if you ain't got a sense of humor i doubt even your gods or science will help you survive in this world.
No, they're not photoshopped. I live in West Virginia (Yeah. Let it sink in.) and you should see some of the ones around here. People are fucking insane. Go in some public bathrooms and you'll see Bible-themed posters. -_____-
(Note: Do you see Pagans pull this kind of shit? No. That's all I'll say.)
@Rusty: Kid, put down the bong, take your Lithium and go to bed.
The more The Gospel is revealed to unbelievers and the more unbelievers reject the The Gospel, the worse the unbelievers condemnation will be on the Day of Judgement. In other words the more you reject Gods truth about who you are the worse your torment will be in Hell. Godspeed!
Seraphim, you of course realize that Muslims say the exact same thing regarding Christianity? I don't take the threat from you any more seriously than you probably take from them.
Would you be free from the burden of sin?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Would you over evil a victory win?
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Would you be free from your passion and pride?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Come for a cleansing to Calvary's tide;
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Would you be whiter, much whiter than snow?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Sin stains are lost in its life giving flow.
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Would you do service for Jesus your King?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Would you live daily His praises to sing?
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Interesting how the above quoted song equates "whiteness" with righteousness/ salvation. I can really see how white supremacists could just take the song, and many of the bible's verses, in their own direction. Disturbing.
Religious songs themselves are interesting in that they aren't bible verses, though they are often based on them. One cannot claim that a religious song conveys much religious authority because it isn't a source: it's based on a source. This one is an older tune, written by Lewis E. Jones in 1899, but there are so many '70s era songs based on things like Gordon Lightfoot tunes. Any rate, it's better to quote from a recognized religious source when attempting to effect conversion - instead of a song best sung when one knows one is "preaching to the choir."
Here is Joe Hill's meaningful rendition:
Would you have freedom from wage slavery,
Then join in the grand Industrial band;
Would you from mis'ry and hunger be free,
Then come! Do your share, like a man.
Chorus:
There is pow'r, there is pow'r
In a band of workingmen.
When they stand hand in hand,
That's a pow'r, that's a pow'r
That must rule in every land--
One Industrial Union Grand.
Would you have mansions of gold in the sky,
And live in a shack, way in the back?
Would you have wings up in heaven to fly,
And starve here with rags on your back?
If you've had "nuff" of "the blood of the lamb,"
Then join in the grand Industrial band;
If, for a change, you would have eggs and ham.
Then come! Do your share, like a man.
If you like sluggers to beat off your head,
Then don't organize, all unions despise,
If you want nothing before you are dead,
Shake hands with your boss and look wise.
Come, all ye workers, from every land,
Come join in the grand Industrial band.
Then we our share of this earth shall demand.
Come on! Do your share, like a man.
It also spews out of Mrs. Tilton's mouth like a river. Moreover, I could say the same to most of her cohorts who have joined hands in trash talk.
Furthur, Mrs. Tilton, I think you should give ol' Rusty a taste of your affectionately discribed "whisker buscuit." He sounds like he is right up your ally. Intellectual speaking of course.
You shall not commit adultery(have sex with another person when you are married). If you do you are an adulterer.
You shall not have sex outside of marriage, if you do you are a fornicator, even masturbation is taken in to account here.
You shall not lie, if you do you are a lier.
You shall not murder, if you do you are a murderer.
You shall honor thy mother and father,
You shall not covet someone elses possession, if you do such is greed. If you do you are a coveter,
You shall not make idol, ieven money thesed days is the idol of many people.
You shall not take The Lord's name in vain.
You shall keep the Sabbath Day holy.
You shall not worhip other gods, except The Lord your GOD.
The problem every human being on this planet has today is they have broken one or more of GOD"S commandments whether by action or thought. If you disobey or refuse to follow these commandents you sin against GOD and in GOD"S demand for moral perfection, GOD demands your blood, in justice, to pay for your sin; therefore you will die just like every other human being has died on this planet. If you have not accepted Christ's payment on the Cross for your sins, then your physical death goes one step further into spiritual death, which is HELL, the place of eternal torment. Many people will suffer hell because they have rejected GOD and his gift that would pay the penalty of their sins, namely Jesus Christ. GOD doesn't tolerate evil in any form and therefore HE will destroy it. Christ is will be back soon and will Rapture those who believe in HIM. Millions of Christians, those alive and dead, will disappear faster than 1/1100 of a second. If you are here when this has happened, you have been left behind because you chose not Christ. Know then GOD does exist and you must confess your sins before GOD and accept Christ's gift of payment for you sins. If you do not, HELL awaits you. There is no other way for a human being to save themselves, except Jesus Christ who died on the Cross to pay for your sins.
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August 4th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
The Jews killed Jesus so the Christians wouldn't have to.
After all, no death, then no ressurection, and no salvation. The Christians are the only people with a vested interest in Jesus' death.
I, an atheist, would happily have rescued the guy from the cross if I was in a position to do so. Oddly enough, I can't get a Christian to say he would have done the same thing.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
//@WTF - Ummm, Christianity is in Iran, and all of the other Middle-eastern countriesâ?¦ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christians_in_Iran//
Yeah, Christianity is in Iran ... one Iranian person in 500 is a Christian ... whooo!
August 4th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
@ Dell:
Hilter was not an atheist. He was a Catholic. Ever read Mein Kampf?
August 5th, 2008 at 12:02 am
go to bed Dennis, your drunk. You too another ben...
August 5th, 2008 at 12:07 am
@Another Ben
I have indeed read it sir, and I have heard the claim that Hitler was a catholic. This would be simply implying that ones upbringing determines their life course. Because Hitler was raised a catholic does not mean that he was catholic in adulthood.
'...the notion that the church either gave birth to Hitler or walked hand-in-hand with him as a partner is, simply, slander. Hitler himself knew better. "One is either a Christian or a German," he said. "You can't be both." '
From: Jadwiga Biskupska (Cornell University), "Hitler & Triumph of the Will: A Nazi Religion in the Catholic Style" in Undergraduate Quarterly, September/November 2004, page 147 (URL: http://www.undergradquarterly.com/EJournal/2004Q2/Biskupska.pdf):
See also http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html
the above is a short article mentions nazi papers found during the nuremburg trials which detail Hitler's hate for the Christian religion and his desire to wipe it out along with Judaism.
August 5th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Mrs. Tilton
I was thinking about the whole science thing and it brought up a few things that I have questions about.
1) Where did matter come from?
2) Where did the laws of the universe come from (gravity, inertia, etc.)?
3) how did matter get so perfectly organized?
4) Which evolved first (how and how long, did it work without the others)?
a) The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the abiltity to find food and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to it's own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc.)?
b) The immune system or the need for it?
c)DNA or Rna to carry the DNa message?
d) The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
5) Is it possible that similarities in design between different animals prove a common creator instead of a common ancestor?
Two quotes from Charles Darwin himself...
1) "Alas, how frequent, how almost universal it is in an author to persuade himself of the truth of his own dagmas."
I for one will keep this in mind when when scientists proclaim the theory of evolution as "fact."
2) "To suppose that the eye could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree".
Your comments please.
August 5th, 2008 at 01:30 am
Well It is 10:40 pm here on the east coast. I have to get up at 5:00 am and alas I am off to bed to spend some time with my lovely bride of 11 years. She is as pretty as ever and I just can't stand to spend another moment without her. I will be up bright and early @ 5:00 am for work and I eagerly wait to see what the cyber world has for me in the morning. Please sleep well and I will continue our friendly talks tomorrow. Did I mention I love my wife? She is awesome!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 02:11 am
Mrs. Tilton -
I deeply thank-you for your heartfelt and sincere response. I wasn't looking for a quick snark answer and I extend my gratitude for giving me more than that. I have always challenged and searched my beliefs(i honestly tried to convince myself that God didn't exist, that the bible was a fairy tale). I ask myself almost every day "why do I believe what I do" I, like you, am a person who refuses to take what someone tells me as truth without being able to show it to me.
August 5th, 2008 at 02:23 am
furthermore - I apologize I accidentally submitted that above portion before I had finished.
I do aplogize for the wording of my statement I thought for a few minutes about how to say cause i didn't want it to sound like something, "made" or "caused" this as if you didn't come to it on your own.
For me, the deciding factor and something I cannot deny is the experience of the miraculous in my life. In the end I can argue all I want til I am blue in the face trying to "prove" christianity or what not; but, what I have learned is that it is impossible to "prove" God exists(remember Jesus' words to Thomas, "you have seen and so you believe, blessed is he who believes and has not seen") - which I know for many people immediately puts me in the realm of: idiot, moron, stupid, and even evil. But, what I have also found in life is that many things are impossible to "prove" beyond the shadow of a doubt.
I have had experiences in my life - both personally and with friends and family - that make me unable to refuse that there is a God. Experiences in which science itself admits it cannot explain. I have personally experienced healing from asthme, I know a lady who had cancer in almost every cell in her body - today - before any treatment began, she is cancer free(literally overnight). Why do these things happen? As the bible demonstrates(even though many do not teach it this way) it is to prove that God exists.
I am not saying all of this with any agenda that my words will somehow make you "see the light' or anything. I just thought that your honest and sincere words as to why you believe what you do deserved an honest sincere answer back. I appreciate your civility in this, as many will write me off as ignorant and stupid because I believe in a God.
August 5th, 2008 at 03:00 am
Some are rather witty. And some are just plain scary.
August 5th, 2008 at 03:18 am
wow, this is endless!! There is no way of proving each other right or wrong!!! STOP ARGUING!! Each person will believe what they feel is most comfortable in their life! Stop forcing your religion onto others and start doing what your religion asks you to do!! be nice!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 03:18 am
This is why all American Christians must die.
August 5th, 2008 at 04:34 am
it's kind of sad that church need to advertise in such a worldly way to attract church-goers. they try to use catchy words or use current hot topics as a lure. i believe churches should go back to the Bible, to God's Words. IMHO churches should be the cornerstone pointing to the Bible.
August 5th, 2008 at 05:42 am
Mr. C,
2) �To suppose that the eye could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree�.
Your comments please.
My comment is that you are quote-mining like a madman. Now, it's unlikely you've actually read Darwin. You are probably just cutting and pasting from creationist talking points. If so, you won't be aware of the context in which Darwin wrote those words, or of how blatantly dishonest it is to present those words as evidence that Darwin didn't think the eye crafted by natural selection.
If you bring nothing but some chanting you got from the Discovery Institute or a fundamentalist tract, there's no point having a discussion with you until you have learned a little about what you are trying to talk about. Start here. And while you're there, check out the rest as well.
(And if you do know what Darwin wrote in full and still use that sentence to argue what you're arguing, then you are as a dishonest as the DI and fundamentalist tracts and there's no point having a discussion with you, full stop.)
August 5th, 2008 at 08:06 am
Eddie van helsing or should I say mohammed achmed mehmet?
Are you a muzzelman?
A hatebeard?
It looks like it. Only muslims have an unheathly urge to kill christiaans where ever they find them.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:07 am
[The comments box ate my earlier response, apparently because it contained two URLs. So here's the gist of it again, with no links.]
Mr C.,
Your comments please
My comment is that you have done nothing but cut and paste a laundry list of creationist talking points; in particular, the bits at the end are egregious quote-mining, a much-loved technique among creationists.
If you really think the quotation about the eye shows that Darwin didn't think it the product of natural selection, then you obviously haven't read the passage in question (which goes on for about three pages after that sentence, arguing that the eye is the product of selection and offering multiple examples and evidence) but are simply copying something you saw quote-mined in some fundie tract. If so, there's no point talking with you until you have acquired at least a basic familiarity with what you think you're talking about. Find talk.origins' "Index of Creationist Claims" (the first URL in my earlier comment) and look for the bit about Darwin and that passage on the eye. And while you're there, check out the rest of the Index (the second URL I'd given), which dispatches the rest of the talking points you've parrotted and many, many more besides. I'm sorry that this website's parameters (or my own stupidity perhaps) keep me from being able to give you the URLs, but Google is your friend.
And if you really do know the passage in question and yet still quote that first sentence to persuade people that Darwin thought what you claim he thought, then you are astonishingly dishonest and there is no point in talking with you, full stop. But without evidence that this is the case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and conclude that you are the dupe of a quote-miner rather than a quote-miner yourself.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Mrs. Tilton
I have never seen the passage in question. A friend sent that quote to me a while back and I pulled it out. I did not realize there was a passage that it was pulled from quite honestly so for that, please excuse me.
I thought it was interesting though. I wasn't really trying to persude you into anything. I just thought I would throw the quote out, that's all.
The questions that I asked are just that, questions. They are not really intended to change your mind but rather they are to get one thinking about things. No matter what anyone thinks or believes, I still think they are valid questions worth asking. By the way, I got them from the Evidence Bible from Ray Comfort. He Inserted pages that have info that sort of follow along with the Bible.
I did not mean to offend you.
From this point forward...
"For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified."
(cut and pasted from my Bible)
August 5th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Ok, I want to study philosophy with Mrs. Tilton! Furthermore, I'd attend her lectures if she was willing to travel to the US to give such lectures!
It is thoroughly refreshing to read Mrs. Tilton's well-written, well-thought out arguments.
Just to weigh in on the church issue, I recently discovered the Unitarian Universalist Church - less a church based on any dogma than a community of people committed to both seeking their own answers to life's big questions and a community of people working to make the world a better place through numerous social justice projects. UU churches welcome tolerant, open-minded seekers of all sorts, from those who have no name for their personal beliefs to Agnostics, Atheists, Buddhists, Christians, Pagans, Wiccans, and on and on.
I wonder whether there are interfaith groups like this to any great degree outside of America, but wonder if it would be too dangerous in many places.
At any rate, wonderful discussion and very interesting signs. One of my favorites of all time (and I don't have a photo) is a flier posted in a women's restroom: "Do you have a God-shaped hole in your life?"
August 5th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Actually, Paul, I'd like to see Islam eradicated from the earth as well. However, since this page's topic is church signs, and not mosque signs, I had decided to stick to Christian-bashing. Of course, since you insist, here's a hearty "DEATH TO ISLAM!!" just for you.
(Did you know that Allah fucks pigs? That's why Muslims aren't allowed to eat pork.)
August 5th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Well look at that. My earlier, URL-laden comment turns up after all! A miracle, surely.
August 5th, 2008 at 01:21 pm
I loved the signs!!! Thats great. These are super duper. True Americana. These are so true!
August 5th, 2008 at 02:31 pm
The vagina is a mysterous creature
all mangled and covered with hair
it looks like the face of Mrs. Tilton
and smells like the ass of a bear
August 5th, 2008 at 02:31 pm
Christianity is not monoteistic. There are 2 gods. One called "god" and another called "satan". You cannot be a christian and not believe in satan.
Atheists don't believe in any gods at all (and therefore don't believe in satan) but christians believe in satan as well as god!
That said how can non-christians go to hell? They don't believe in god or satan. They are not christians so christian rules and beliefs do not apply to non-christians. In the same way that vegetarian rules do not apply to non-vegetarians.
August 5th, 2008 at 03:20 pm
Rusty,
The vagina is a mysterous creature
Yes, I'm sure vaginas are quite a mystery to you, and they're likely to remain so. When you're discussing them with your chums, I suggest you say they feel like a bag of sand.
August 5th, 2008 at 03:33 pm
Mrs. Tilton
bag of sand you say?
That is how my ball sack would feel bouncing on your chin.
August 5th, 2008 at 04:03 pm
I forgot to share the fact that I don't shave my balls so it would be like a hairy bag of sand. I hope that sort of thing doesn't bother you.
I also make little cars out of my poop. THey are really fun to play with.
August 5th, 2008 at 04:04 pm
Rusty,
That is how my ball sack would feel bouncing on your chin
For any number of reasons, that's not something I'm likely ever to feel. And dangerous for you, I might add. As your "sack" was bouncing away, there'd be a very high possibility it would become lodged in a skin-pore.
Anyway, you are Jeff Godlstein and I claim my five pounds.
August 5th, 2008 at 04:09 pm
I don’t shave my balls.... I also make little cars out of my poop. THey are really fun to play with
Yes. Well, from the sound of things, the question of whether to shave your balls will remain a hypothetical one for many years to come.
August 5th, 2008 at 04:17 pm
I am going to cover my balls with gold bond powder and then soak them in icecream. Who is Jeff Godlstein?
August 5th, 2008 at 04:22 pm
I've been reading some of this and I just have to say... This shit is absolutely hilarious. I'm glad you're setting these idiots straight Tilton.
August 5th, 2008 at 06:14 pm
Give me a call some time Rusty. I would love to get to know you better. I might even show you my wisker biscuit.
August 5th, 2008 at 08:00 pm
Wow... I think Mrs. Tilton's comments are more interesting (or, shall I say, insightful and fun to read) than the content this page was created for!
Do you have a blog, Mrs. Tilton? I'd love to read if you had one!
I'm... I don't know what I am. I don't believe in a god, and I suppose in that way I'm athiest. Maybe I'm just "Live and let Live-ist." Believe what you like, just don't try to smoosh it in my face (or try to pretend you know it all and are right, despite evidence to the contrary). ;)
August 5th, 2008 at 08:45 pm
I should point out that the "Mrs Tilton" immediately above is not I. It's easy to tell, because I wouldn't have misspelled a simple word like "whisker". (I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the poster was in fact our young friend Rusty. And fair play to him: every boy should have an active fantasy life.)
I have to say that I quite like Rusty. At first I thought he was a slavering Christian who had slipped the leash. But then it became clear that he is all about the shite-stirring. And I like that in a ten year old.
But I'm afraid I really have no interest in getting to know him better, in the biblical or any other sense.
August 5th, 2008 at 09:45 pm
God bless Photoshop. Some of the more offensive ones are photoshop. Especially the tsunami, aids, war one and the osama, obama one. Sacred cows seems impossible but looks legit. I think some of this is anti-Christian propaganda.
August 5th, 2008 at 09:48 pm
The Obama Osama one was not real. Clearly doctored.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Nope, it's real. Google 'Obama osama church' and click the first link.
August 6th, 2008 at 01:24 am
yo, peeps, stop writing novels back and forth and simply shut up and laugh at the silly pictures, if you ain't got a sense of humor i doubt even your gods or science will help you survive in this world.
August 6th, 2008 at 01:37 am
No, they're not photoshopped. I live in West Virginia (Yeah. Let it sink in.) and you should see some of the ones around here. People are fucking insane. Go in some public bathrooms and you'll see Bible-themed posters. -_____-
(Note: Do you see Pagans pull this kind of shit? No. That's all I'll say.)
@Rusty: Kid, put down the bong, take your Lithium and go to bed.
August 6th, 2008 at 02:14 am
"To try to make things better in this world by our own understanding is like rearranging the furniture on the Titanic. "
And it is the scary comments like that scream of hopelessness and a lack of compassion for the suffering of those in this world. Tsk tsk.
August 6th, 2008 at 03:38 am
YOU ALL SUCK.
Amen.
August 6th, 2008 at 04:36 am
The more The Gospel is revealed to unbelievers and the more unbelievers reject the The Gospel, the worse the unbelievers condemnation will be on the Day of Judgement. In other words the more you reject Gods truth about who you are the worse your torment will be in Hell. Godspeed!
August 6th, 2008 at 05:20 am
Seraphim, you of course realize that Muslims say the exact same thing regarding Christianity? I don't take the threat from you any more seriously than you probably take from them.
August 6th, 2008 at 08:30 am
"So, basically, I have to sacrifice myself...
...to myself...
in order to change a rule that I made... myself!"
--God (supposedly)
August 6th, 2008 at 09:48 am
and one of the most amusing parts is that they spelt Chanukah wrong...
August 6th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Would you be free from the burden of sin?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Would you over evil a victory win?
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Would you be free from your passion and pride?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Come for a cleansing to Calvary's tide;
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Would you be whiter, much whiter than snow?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Sin stains are lost in its life giving flow.
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
Would you do service for Jesus your King?
There's power in the blood, power in the blood;
Would you live daily His praises to sing?
There's wonderful power in the blood.
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the blood of the Lamb;
There is power, power, wonder working power
In the precious blood of the Lamb.
August 6th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Interesting how the above quoted song equates "whiteness" with righteousness/ salvation. I can really see how white supremacists could just take the song, and many of the bible's verses, in their own direction. Disturbing.
Religious songs themselves are interesting in that they aren't bible verses, though they are often based on them. One cannot claim that a religious song conveys much religious authority because it isn't a source: it's based on a source. This one is an older tune, written by Lewis E. Jones in 1899, but there are so many '70s era songs based on things like Gordon Lightfoot tunes. Any rate, it's better to quote from a recognized religious source when attempting to effect conversion - instead of a song best sung when one knows one is "preaching to the choir."
Here is Joe Hill's meaningful rendition:
Would you have freedom from wage slavery,
Then join in the grand Industrial band;
Would you from mis'ry and hunger be free,
Then come! Do your share, like a man.
Chorus:
There is pow'r, there is pow'r
In a band of workingmen.
When they stand hand in hand,
That's a pow'r, that's a pow'r
That must rule in every land--
One Industrial Union Grand.
Would you have mansions of gold in the sky,
And live in a shack, way in the back?
Would you have wings up in heaven to fly,
And starve here with rags on your back?
If you've had "nuff" of "the blood of the lamb,"
Then join in the grand Industrial band;
If, for a change, you would have eggs and ham.
Then come! Do your share, like a man.
If you like sluggers to beat off your head,
Then don't organize, all unions despise,
If you want nothing before you are dead,
Shake hands with your boss and look wise.
Come, all ye workers, from every land,
Come join in the grand Industrial band.
Then we our share of this earth shall demand.
Come on! Do your share, like a man.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Did you hear the lasted medical breakthrough?
Scientist have discovered that diarrhea is hereditary...
It runs in your jeans.
August 6th, 2008 at 11:27 am
It also spews out of Mrs. Tilton's mouth like a river. Moreover, I could say the same to most of her cohorts who have joined hands in trash talk.
Furthur, Mrs. Tilton, I think you should give ol' Rusty a taste of your affectionately discribed "whisker buscuit." He sounds like he is right up your ally. Intellectual speaking of course.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
It is disturbing how people put up nonsense quotes and then attribute it to God.
They sign their BS quotes - GOD as if that will validate it.
Isn't making up scriptures a sign of a false prophet!!?? The penalty for that was death.
I am also sick of the Virgin Mary and the face of Jesus popping up in trees, tortillas, toast, gutter stains, and window dirt.
I am waiting for the newspapers to run a story titled "The Face of Jesus in a Piece of Dog Shit"
Why is it acceptable to belittle Christianity?
Why do people put up horrible signs and stupid apparition stories making fun of religious beliefs?
This is just sad. People are so stupid and deceived.
August 6th, 2008 at 01:01 pm
You shall not commit adultery(have sex with another person when you are married). If you do you are an adulterer.
You shall not have sex outside of marriage, if you do you are a fornicator, even masturbation is taken in to account here.
You shall not lie, if you do you are a lier.
You shall not murder, if you do you are a murderer.
You shall honor thy mother and father,
You shall not covet someone elses possession, if you do such is greed. If you do you are a coveter,
You shall not make idol, ieven money thesed days is the idol of many people.
You shall not take The Lord's name in vain.
You shall keep the Sabbath Day holy.
You shall not worhip other gods, except The Lord your GOD.
The problem every human being on this planet has today is they have broken one or more of GOD"S commandments whether by action or thought. If you disobey or refuse to follow these commandents you sin against GOD and in GOD"S demand for moral perfection, GOD demands your blood, in justice, to pay for your sin; therefore you will die just like every other human being has died on this planet. If you have not accepted Christ's payment on the Cross for your sins, then your physical death goes one step further into spiritual death, which is HELL, the place of eternal torment. Many people will suffer hell because they have rejected GOD and his gift that would pay the penalty of their sins, namely Jesus Christ. GOD doesn't tolerate evil in any form and therefore HE will destroy it. Christ is will be back soon and will Rapture those who believe in HIM. Millions of Christians, those alive and dead, will disappear faster than 1/1100 of a second. If you are here when this has happened, you have been left behind because you chose not Christ. Know then GOD does exist and you must confess your sins before GOD and accept Christ's gift of payment for you sins. If you do not, HELL awaits you. There is no other way for a human being to save themselves, except Jesus Christ who died on the Cross to pay for your sins.
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