President Obama signed an executive order Monday repealing a Bush-era policy that limited federal tax dollars for embryonic stem cell research. And while this move was lauded by many in the scientific community as a means to helping cure a wide array of diseases, the religious right had a very different vision of the future. Here it is:
Don't you know those embryo's were going to be burned in a fire if not used! Now we are taking away their chance to raise from the fire like Phoenix's and save earth with Jesus powers!
I think thats what the looney toon jesus fuckers think
That's really like saying it's alright to kill a baby to save a car crash victim. Especially when these discoveries can most probably be made with adult stem cells rather than embryonic stem cells.
You're right; currently we are not. However, if we can have abortion which ends the life of "cells" even further along, how much of a step is it to new lines of embryonic stem cells created specifically for that purpose? Meaning, not ones that are going to be thrown away anyway (which is ethically murky, in the first place), but ones that are created just for stem cell research.
Very good comments! Too many Christians think like little children who believe in Santa. It is disgusting that people die due to religious beliefs not based on reality.
I don't have any, but I love skanky women....so sooner or later.
Its like playing russian roulette with my penis.
I've tried to get with non-skanky women who will have unprotected sex with random strange men they just met, but they are hard to find.
You idiots are missing the point. Bush never outlawed embryonic stem cell research. He just made it so it wasn't funded by the government. Private company have still been using embryonic cells this whole time. But now Barry O has made it so they're using our tax dollars.
Embryonic stem cells can be replicated by adult stem cells as reported in Feb. 2008. Adult stem cells have proven to be more effective in the hope of finding cures. Mocking people of faith is so funny hope all the Daily Kos people Digg this for you.
I always love it when religioners get offended by basic humor at their expense. You know, it's generally okay to glibly inform people of other religions that they're going to hell, but don't dare mock Christianists for their ridiculous beliefs and inability to function in modern society.
I don't know how the whole thing works in detail. Maybe the embryos are doomed anyway, and no potential innocent life is lost. I'm obviously not thrilled by the prospect if adult stem cells will work just as well if not better, but I choose my battles and there are bigger battles out there in the scheme of things. This is just a symptom of a bigger problem.
What gets me is when fools fire back at us "religioners" and "Christianists", claiming we "think like little children who believe in Santa", when 9 times out of 10 you mockers are more idiotic than the windows you lick. Ooh, so we stand for and believe in something you don't like, or don't understand! Ooh, we must be stupid! I actually do a lot of research into both sides of the big picture - evolution vs. creation, etc. etc. Y'all need to stick your nose in a book or educational website before you make any more remarks - I daresay you've got a serious inability to function in modern society when you can't even express a semi-intelligent thought correctly.
First of all, embryonic stem cells are much more useful than any other type of stem cell (otherwise why would this be an issue at all). Also, you all are totally gay. Theres only one place to "research" creationism and thats in a book writen by a bunch of sheapards a couple thousand years ago. How can you compare that to SCIENCE mufuka!
Second: There's a boatload of archaeologic and paleontologic research being done independent of the Book, which BTW happens to be the most consistently accurate historical tome in history, as re-written and translated through the ages, at a couple thousand years old.
BUT...you have to believe that the Book is true, and therefore so is it's ultimate Author, to have any relevant bearing on these topics, which is why you don't get the life-view that we have in regards to everything, including ESCR. Life is sacred, not chance happening w/ no ultimate value to be pi$$ed away for a scientific whim at POSSIBLY helping the ill and infirm.
If life is sacred, eliminate the death penalty and outlaw war. Simply because archeology uncovers places mentioned in the bible does not mean its stories are true. And try turning the other cheek, idiot.
The Bible is the most accurate historical tome in history? Why didn't the Egyptians write about losing their Jews? And where's the Tower of Babel? And we're all in-bred? Fuck that shit. Basing your argument on a book that is almost unrecognizable compared to when it came together (do better research; most of the Jesus stories aren't in the earliest editions) is foolish and you cheapen yourself as a human being by it.
But all of that is beside the point. If you disagree with the way they try to save lives (which, according to you, are sacred), then refuse treatment next time you have a debilitating disease that can be healed through stem cell-based medicine.
"do better research; most of the Jesus stories aren't in the earliest editions"
Perhaps it is you who should do your research? Commonly accepted historical "tomes", such as Herodotus' or Thucydides' histories, have less transmission accuracy than the Bible. If you want to attack the validity, go ahead; don't attack the textual accuracy, since it's far above and beyond anything surviving from antiquity.
"Why didn't the Egyptians write about losing their Jews?"
'And in the reign of our glorious Pharaoh Such-and-Such, he lost an entire enslaved race after all firstborns were killed and the Nile turned to blood.' That sounds good on an obelisk.
"And where's the Tower of Babel?"
Destroyed.
"And we're all in-bred?"
If you believe in evolution, then we all already are.
"then refuse treatment next time you have a debilitating disease that can be healed through stem cell-based medicine."
Stem-cell based medicine is fine. Using embryos to fuel it is not. You're not making the distinction.
you scare me. The book which you speak of is in fact false. The only truth that comes out of this book is the truth that you create. You my suicidal, end of the world, looking forward too friend want what is in the books to come true. You want the world to end because in your sick twisted head you belive that, thats when we will all be saved. Can you do something for me, kill yourself and let me be.
Unless that life is a homosexual or anything else you religious types fight against in complete hypocrisy. Life is sacred; why is the life of an unborn-baby more important then someone who is already living on this planet? Seriously, we can't continue to keep having children at our current rate - the world is already 3 times over-populated, we can do without....
The earth is more than 6000 years old. I like to carry a fossil with me wherever I go. And when someone comes up to me and tells me the earth is 6000 years old, I take out my fossil, I point to it, and I say "FOSSIL!" Then if that doesn't work, I throw it at their head.
Saying the Bible is usefully in archaeology is no more relevant than saying Anne Rice's vampire books are useful for finding real places in New Orleans.
Of _course_ the people who wrote the bible used some real places and some real events in their books, just like modern authors reference real places and events. It in no way means the books are anything more than fiction and/or hearsay stories.
I prefer the story of the Egyptian God Horace which is likely the source of the story of Jesus. Bot are good stories, however I feel the plagiarism should be pointed out. Take a moment to notice the amazing similarities even though Horace is quite a bit before Jesus.
The bible is just a poorly written almanac of ancient folkloric self-help. Don't confuse it with authority on anything. Life isn't sacred. It's just what we make of it. Don't mess it up. it's the only thing you/we have and there isn't anything that comes after it or you've missed your chance ... and then life really is pointless.
During a Bio-Ethics class I had while working on my Masters, I chose to do a term paper presenting both sides of stem cell research because frankly I wanted to know more about what all the hub pub was about. And it has been proven over and over again that adult stem cells have shown over and over again to be the hope of finding cures. Embryonic stem cells have not shown any positive results (zero) and have actually caused horrific tumors when used. So do the research yourself and you will be surprised. Good Luck.
The key word i think everyone overlooks is Embryonic. We currently have stem cell research projects in place. Embryonic stem cell research is not proven and not necessary. We are currently using stem cells from umbilical cords, which is more accessible and less invasive and considerably more ethical. Maybe you should realize that you are killing babies that were otherwise intended to make it into the world. BTW umbilical cord blood has the highest concentration of stem cells.
whatever dude, there are too many people in this world as it is. Might as well make the lives of the living as good as possible through the advancement of practical scientific research. That saves lives btw, in case you forgot. It's not like the embryo has the capacity to know or care wtf is happening.
Also, you're making it sound like women are getting knocked up to farm stem cells. And killing babies? Would you cuddle up next to a blastocyst? It's no different than harvesting skin cells, only this is useful. Get a grip. The human race doesn't have time for you to whine.
The embryos uses for research are often donated by parents who have had invetro and have reached the desired number of kids. They would rather donate to benefit society instead of just destroying them. You are a fool if you believe these embryos were ever meant for life.
We currently have stem cell research projects in place.
- true.
Embryonic stem cell research is not proven and not necessary.
- research has been stunted due to federal restrictions also, who are you to say it isn't necessary?
We are currently using stem cells from umbilical cords, which is more accessible and less invasive and considerably more ethical.
- true, though I would say that denying possible treatments from embryonic stem cells is also unethical.
Maybe you should realize that you are killing babies that were otherwise intended to make it into the world.
- false, do you really need this explained to you?
BTW umbilical cord blood has the highest concentration of stem cells.
- stem cells aren't created equally. You may be able to do great things with cord stem cells, but embryonic stem cells will (likely) be able to do things that cord stem cells cannot.
I wrote a paper about this for a class and spent way too long doing research, the people that oppose this really only oppose this on a moral ground, which is their right. What annoys me is the fact that many people throw out false facts like the stem cells from embryos don't work as well. Go to a federal depository library and look up peer reviewed studies from scientists, that shit ain't true, embryonic cells work a lot better.
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March 9th, 2009 at 02:13 pm
Don't you know those embryo's were going to be burned in a fire if not used! Now we are taking away their chance to raise from the fire like Phoenix's and save earth with Jesus powers!
I think thats what the looney toon jesus fuckers think
March 9th, 2009 at 02:58 pm
Dude, "'s" is meant for possessive purposes, not for "plural's"!
March 10th, 2009 at 09:16 am
I lick small penis
March 9th, 2009 at 02:32 pm
The ethical side of the stem cell argument goes out the window when people die when they could have easily been cured through stem cells.
That's all I'm gonna say.
March 9th, 2009 at 06:39 pm
That's really like saying it's alright to kill a baby to save a car crash victim. Especially when these discoveries can most probably be made with adult stem cells rather than embryonic stem cells.
March 10th, 2009 at 05:55 am
That's not an accurate analogy at all. You aren't killing the baby for that reason the baby was going to die regardless.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
You're right; currently we are not. However, if we can have abortion which ends the life of "cells" even further along, how much of a step is it to new lines of embryonic stem cells created specifically for that purpose? Meaning, not ones that are going to be thrown away anyway (which is ethically murky, in the first place), but ones that are created just for stem cell research.
March 9th, 2009 at 02:41 pm
Very good comments! Too many Christians think like little children who believe in Santa. It is disgusting that people die due to religious beliefs not based on reality.
March 10th, 2009 at 09:24 am
If only your mother had aborted you and scientists used your carcass for ground breaking stem cell testing.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
You are such a loser...get back to your home-schooling, stop writing about things you can't understand.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I'm a public schooled genius and I eat smegma ;)
March 9th, 2009 at 02:56 pm
I just wish they get to the cure for lung cancer very soon, because I've been smoking for six years and am too hedonistic to quit.
March 9th, 2009 at 03:55 pm
Stem cells could be used to cure STD's
I don't have any, but I love skanky women....so sooner or later.
Its like playing russian roulette with my penis.
I've tried to get with non-skanky women who will have unprotected sex with random strange men they just met, but they are hard to find.
March 10th, 2009 at 02:00 pm
mmmmmm, Skanky Russian women who play roulette
March 9th, 2009 at 05:11 pm
I'm sure if rush found out that stem cells could cure ugly he woud get his ladies and gentlemen all for it ...
March 9th, 2009 at 05:33 pm
Haha take that Sean Penn! I fuckin hate that guy.
March 9th, 2009 at 06:03 pm
You idiots are missing the point. Bush never outlawed embryonic stem cell research. He just made it so it wasn't funded by the government. Private company have still been using embryonic cells this whole time. But now Barry O has made it so they're using our tax dollars.
March 10th, 2009 at 01:24 pm
preach on brother
March 9th, 2009 at 07:01 pm
Embryonic stem cells can be replicated by adult stem cells as reported in Feb. 2008. Adult stem cells have proven to be more effective in the hope of finding cures. Mocking people of faith is so funny hope all the Daily Kos people Digg this for you.
March 10th, 2009 at 04:58 am
I always love it when religioners get offended by basic humor at their expense. You know, it's generally okay to glibly inform people of other religions that they're going to hell, but don't dare mock Christianists for their ridiculous beliefs and inability to function in modern society.
March 10th, 2009 at 09:27 am
"mock Christianists for their ridiculous beliefs and inability to function in modern society"
Awwww Did somebody get beat up by a bad ol' Christian person?
March 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jesus sucks cocks in hell
March 10th, 2009 at 01:57 pm
I think the point is Jesus doesn't suck as he died about 2000 years ago and that there is no heaven or hell.
March 10th, 2009 at 06:03 pm
"inability to function in modern society."
Yes, everyone knows going with the flow is absolutely the best solution, no matter what atrocities there are!
March 10th, 2009 at 06:56 am
I don't know how the whole thing works in detail. Maybe the embryos are doomed anyway, and no potential innocent life is lost. I'm obviously not thrilled by the prospect if adult stem cells will work just as well if not better, but I choose my battles and there are bigger battles out there in the scheme of things. This is just a symptom of a bigger problem.
What gets me is when fools fire back at us "religioners" and "Christianists", claiming we "think like little children who believe in Santa", when 9 times out of 10 you mockers are more idiotic than the windows you lick. Ooh, so we stand for and believe in something you don't like, or don't understand! Ooh, we must be stupid! I actually do a lot of research into both sides of the big picture - evolution vs. creation, etc. etc. Y'all need to stick your nose in a book or educational website before you make any more remarks - I daresay you've got a serious inability to function in modern society when you can't even express a semi-intelligent thought correctly.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
"I daresay you've got a serious inability to function in modern society"
says the guy who's getting all worked up in the comments section of Holytaco.com
March 10th, 2009 at 08:00 pm
I would sooner trust a cannibal than someone who told me he's a christian.
March 10th, 2009 at 07:37 am
First of all, embryonic stem cells are much more useful than any other type of stem cell (otherwise why would this be an issue at all). Also, you all are totally gay. Theres only one place to "research" creationism and thats in a book writen by a bunch of sheapards a couple thousand years ago. How can you compare that to SCIENCE mufuka!
March 10th, 2009 at 08:28 am
First: Based on your response - I rest my case.
Second: There's a boatload of archaeologic and paleontologic research being done independent of the Book, which BTW happens to be the most consistently accurate historical tome in history, as re-written and translated through the ages, at a couple thousand years old.
BUT...you have to believe that the Book is true, and therefore so is it's ultimate Author, to have any relevant bearing on these topics, which is why you don't get the life-view that we have in regards to everything, including ESCR. Life is sacred, not chance happening w/ no ultimate value to be pi$$ed away for a scientific whim at POSSIBLY helping the ill and infirm.
Have a nice day.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
If life is sacred, eliminate the death penalty and outlaw war. Simply because archeology uncovers places mentioned in the bible does not mean its stories are true. And try turning the other cheek, idiot.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
The Bible is the most accurate historical tome in history? Why didn't the Egyptians write about losing their Jews? And where's the Tower of Babel? And we're all in-bred? Fuck that shit. Basing your argument on a book that is almost unrecognizable compared to when it came together (do better research; most of the Jesus stories aren't in the earliest editions) is foolish and you cheapen yourself as a human being by it.
But all of that is beside the point. If you disagree with the way they try to save lives (which, according to you, are sacred), then refuse treatment next time you have a debilitating disease that can be healed through stem cell-based medicine.
March 10th, 2009 at 06:19 pm
"do better research; most of the Jesus stories aren't in the earliest editions"
Perhaps it is you who should do your research? Commonly accepted historical "tomes", such as Herodotus' or Thucydides' histories, have less transmission accuracy than the Bible. If you want to attack the validity, go ahead; don't attack the textual accuracy, since it's far above and beyond anything surviving from antiquity.
"Why didn't the Egyptians write about losing their Jews?"
'And in the reign of our glorious Pharaoh Such-and-Such, he lost an entire enslaved race after all firstborns were killed and the Nile turned to blood.' That sounds good on an obelisk.
"And where's the Tower of Babel?"
Destroyed.
"And we're all in-bred?"
If you believe in evolution, then we all already are.
"then refuse treatment next time you have a debilitating disease that can be healed through stem cell-based medicine."
Stem-cell based medicine is fine. Using embryos to fuel it is not. You're not making the distinction.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
you scare me. The book which you speak of is in fact false. The only truth that comes out of this book is the truth that you create. You my suicidal, end of the world, looking forward too friend want what is in the books to come true. You want the world to end because in your sick twisted head you belive that, thats when we will all be saved. Can you do something for me, kill yourself and let me be.
March 10th, 2009 at 01:34 pm
Unless that life is a homosexual or anything else you religious types fight against in complete hypocrisy. Life is sacred; why is the life of an unborn-baby more important then someone who is already living on this planet? Seriously, we can't continue to keep having children at our current rate - the world is already 3 times over-populated, we can do without....
March 10th, 2009 at 01:48 pm
The earth is more than 6000 years old. I like to carry a fossil with me wherever I go. And when someone comes up to me and tells me the earth is 6000 years old, I take out my fossil, I point to it, and I say "FOSSIL!" Then if that doesn't work, I throw it at their head.
March 10th, 2009 at 02:31 pm
Saying the Bible is usefully in archaeology is no more relevant than saying Anne Rice's vampire books are useful for finding real places in New Orleans.
Of _course_ the people who wrote the bible used some real places and some real events in their books, just like modern authors reference real places and events. It in no way means the books are anything more than fiction and/or hearsay stories.
March 10th, 2009 at 02:35 pm
I prefer the story of the Egyptian God Horace which is likely the source of the story of Jesus. Bot are good stories, however I feel the plagiarism should be pointed out. Take a moment to notice the amazing similarities even though Horace is quite a bit before Jesus.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
The bible is just a poorly written almanac of ancient folkloric self-help. Don't confuse it with authority on anything. Life isn't sacred. It's just what we make of it. Don't mess it up. it's the only thing you/we have and there isn't anything that comes after it or you've missed your chance ... and then life really is pointless.
March 10th, 2009 at 08:54 am
During a Bio-Ethics class I had while working on my Masters, I chose to do a term paper presenting both sides of stem cell research because frankly I wanted to know more about what all the hub pub was about. And it has been proven over and over again that adult stem cells have shown over and over again to be the hope of finding cures. Embryonic stem cells have not shown any positive results (zero) and have actually caused horrific tumors when used. So do the research yourself and you will be surprised. Good Luck.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
It's hubbub, not hub pub.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
That's because there's very little funding for embryonic stem cell research. Molecular biology research is prohibitively costly. No $$$ = no results.
March 10th, 2009 at 09:41 am
P.S. when I said you're all gay I meant that in a good way. I myself take it in the cornhole. à tout à l'heure...
March 10th, 2009 at 02:31 pm
It is always funny when someone uses poor spelling or grammar to call someone else a moron.
March 10th, 2009 at 08:52 am
The key word i think everyone overlooks is Embryonic. We currently have stem cell research projects in place. Embryonic stem cell research is not proven and not necessary. We are currently using stem cells from umbilical cords, which is more accessible and less invasive and considerably more ethical. Maybe you should realize that you are killing babies that were otherwise intended to make it into the world. BTW umbilical cord blood has the highest concentration of stem cells.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
whatever dude, there are too many people in this world as it is. Might as well make the lives of the living as good as possible through the advancement of practical scientific research. That saves lives btw, in case you forgot. It's not like the embryo has the capacity to know or care wtf is happening.
Also, you're making it sound like women are getting knocked up to farm stem cells. And killing babies? Would you cuddle up next to a blastocyst? It's no different than harvesting skin cells, only this is useful. Get a grip. The human race doesn't have time for you to whine.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
But.
Not all stem cells are the same. Embryonic stem cells are much more powerful than umbilical stem cells.
Embryonic cells have much more potential than other stem cells. You, sir, are wrong.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Nobody ever, ever, is "killing babies" that were "otherwise intended to make it." This has never, ever happened. Period.
Otherwise, please feel free to post a link to the "Mother Sacrifices Her First Born For Stem Cell Research" story that doesn't exist.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
The embryos uses for research are often donated by parents who have had invetro and have reached the desired number of kids. They would rather donate to benefit society instead of just destroying them. You are a fool if you believe these embryos were ever meant for life.
March 10th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
We currently have stem cell research projects in place.
- true.
Embryonic stem cell research is not proven and not necessary.
- research has been stunted due to federal restrictions also, who are you to say it isn't necessary?
We are currently using stem cells from umbilical cords, which is more accessible and less invasive and considerably more ethical.
- true, though I would say that denying possible treatments from embryonic stem cells is also unethical.
Maybe you should realize that you are killing babies that were otherwise intended to make it into the world.
- false, do you really need this explained to you?
BTW umbilical cord blood has the highest concentration of stem cells.
- stem cells aren't created equally. You may be able to do great things with cord stem cells, but embryonic stem cells will (likely) be able to do things that cord stem cells cannot.
March 10th, 2009 at 09:12 am
I wrote a paper about this for a class and spent way too long doing research, the people that oppose this really only oppose this on a moral ground, which is their right. What annoys me is the fact that many people throw out false facts like the stem cells from embryos don't work as well. Go to a federal depository library and look up peer reviewed studies from scientists, that shit ain't true, embryonic cells work a lot better.
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